ELi5: What causes wildfires and why are they so difficult to put out?

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Is there a way we can prevent them from occurring in the first place, or is it inevitable during the summer months?

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Anonymous 0 Comments

We don’t want to prevent them even if we could.

In many ecosystems, wildfires are nature’s way of regenerating the earth, allowing important nutrients to re-enter the soil, and creating new habitats for plants and animals to thrive.

They really are inevitable though. Large swaths of forests with dead stuff and lightning will always eventually lead to a wildfire even if we weren’t here.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Wildfires are caused by lightning (most) and by humans (unfortunately more and more these days)

The main problem is that the forest is dry, dryer than normal, so the woods burn more easily.

There’s no efficient way to prevent wildfires.

You can help prevent the fires to grow by doing controlled fires and by digging trenches and bulldozing corridors to help stop the spread; but that takes a lot of man power and a crap load of equipment.

Anonymous 0 Comments

The problem is not that wildfires happen. Wildfires are natural and have been going on for millions of years. Some plants actually *need* wildfires to germinate their seeds.

The problem is that with climate change, things are both warmer and drier than they used to be. There’s more dead and rotting vegetation, and they’re more susceptible to burning than forests have historically been. So when a fire starts, it gets huge and quickly consumes that dead vegetation, creating a hotter fire that burns and spreads quicker, which in turn creates even more smoke than usual.

Preventing natural fires is impossible, but mitigating them is simple. We just have to overturn hundreds of years of economic conditions that have made it profitable to add CO2 to the atmosphere and simultaneously find out how to make it profitable to remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Maybe not so simple after all.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Controlled burns are the answer. Per acre they are significantly cheaper to execute versus fighting an uncontrolled fire. Like others have said, you cannot prevent trees from dying, drying out, and catching on fire. But you can establish burn zones ahead of time and control which parts of a forest burn and when

Anonymous 0 Comments

preventing them is typically done by thinning out the forest and making firelines through the forest to contain help contain it to a certain area basically lines with all the trees removed. They are difficult to put out because when they get big enought it doesnt really matter how much water you put on it its gonna burn, like turning a hose on a volcano the only thing you can do is try and keep it from spreading and let it burn itself out and this is very labor intensive to do and requires lots of expensive specialized equiptment so areas tend to underspend and understaff and are usually ill equipped when something happens.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Dry areas and lightning strikes or discarded matches/cigarettes, will catch fire the longer the area has been without rain the faster and hotter the fire gets or spreads.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Wet, rotting grass creates heat (rotting is an exothermic reaction.) Dry grass on top of the rotting grass hits the flash point, fire starts.

Anonymous 0 Comments

I come from Northern California, the true North. We get forest fires every year, the big ones. In the 35 years I lived there, the majority of these fires started during the late summer when it’s especially dry, and there are dry thunder storms. Lightning strikes in the mountains tend to start the majority of these.

Now there have been man made wild fires, true, but these aren’t as common, nor tend to produce the large complex fires you see on the news. Reason being that most man made fires start from camp fires, these types of fires are more accessible and campgrounds tend to be designed with natural fire breaks.

In the 1980s, a devastating forest fire called the fountain fire started close to the highway, some road brush caught on fire, either a discarded cigarette or car exhaust started that one. But these are more an exception.

To answer your other question, what makes them so hard to put out, it’s the location of the fire that makes it hard. These mountains are dozens of miles away from any sort of road, the ones that make it to the small mountain towns usually are huge by time they get there, sort of like a flaming avalanche that picks up speed and size as it burns its way from a rural location to one that is inhabited.

To put a wild fire out requires man power. Unlike a fire in town where you have water infrastructure available and large fire fighting trucks with teams of professionals who can isolate and effectively put a fire our, the mountains lack the water and the ability for the equipment to easily get to the location

This requires fire teams to scout trails, bring in bulldozers, creat emergency fire trails, and hike fire fighters into the mountains with gear to begin fighting the fire

But how do you fight a wild fire? Unlike a fire in tow where natural containment like fire walls, streets, and distance between homes exist, the mountains have densely packed vegetation that grows rapidly during the spring and dries out during the summer.

Also, many national parks are poorly maintained, with decades of fire prevention efforts that kept fires that would have happened naturally, burning out forest debris, and thinning out foliage creating natural fire breaks, forests have been allowed to grow without much planning for fire issues.

Some forestry departments will let wild fires in the most rural areas burn freely and only keep an eye on them, this generally is the right approach

Others have the approach of picking and choosing select locations to medicate. Spot burn or controlled burns are a bandaid but are better than nothing.

Why can’t we just run a bunch of helicopters up there and dowse the flames? Too expensive/ inneffective/ destructive to the environment. We put wild fires out by containing them and letting them burn them selves out.

Bulldozers cut through the mountain creating a burn line, a strip of land void of foliage. Usually with a mound known as a burn on one or both sides this fire line will vary in width depending on wind conditions and speed of the flame.

Water drops from above are used more to steer the path of the fire in effect assisting with the containment. Back fires may be lit to keep the fire from spreading beyond a certain point. If the terrain warrents a back fire, the wind encourages it, and there’s proper fuel to burn the back fire, this can be an effective containment strategy. A forest fire won’t be able to burn effectively through an area that has recently burned. Fire in general moves slower down hill than it does up hill. Flames move faster with the wind than against the wind, these factors are used to head off the fire’s path and effectively contain it.

Once the fire has been contained, it is usually up to a mop up crew to go in, identify hot spots, areas that are still burning, and either put them out by hand or let the fire burn itself out

Helicopters play a bigger role with reconnisense than water dropping. You can identify hot spot locations quicker from the air, and relay that information to ground crews.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Ive seen the results of the wildfires in Alberta, within days the area is very green grass, with black trees, within a year or two it’s a very dense young forest

Anonymous 0 Comments

Of the 600 wildfire in Alberta about 60% have been human caused and 15% lightning, the rest are still under investigation

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Cigarette butts, offroad vehicles, campfires, seams to be the majority