eli5: why wasn’t there an Industrial Revolution at an earlier point in time?

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Was it a lack of manpower? Was it geographic circumstances? Why couldn’t civilizations like, say, Babylon or Rome have an Industrial Revolution?

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Anonymous 0 Comments

There have been many industrial revolutions.

Planting crops in the ground rather than harvesting as you roam.

Harnessing animals for use as labor.

Specialization of labor.

Water powered mills.

Wind powered mills.

Etc. The “industrial revolution was a massive change,” but certainly not the first.

Anonymous 0 Comments

It’s hard to imagine any sort of industrial revolution happening before the enlightenment. That’s when the birth of modern science and engineering happened.

The British empire had the required talent, resources, manpower incentive and political stability for the industrial revolution to happen.

The Dutch had money but not enough manpower. The French had excellent scientific talent but no political stability. The Spanish were mostly just interested in extracting resources from their colonies. The Germans and Italians were technologically behind most of the other big players.

Anonymous 0 Comments

There have been many industrial revolutions.

Planting crops in the ground rather than harvesting as you roam.

Harnessing animals for use as labor.

Specialization of labor.

Water powered mills.

Wind powered mills.

Etc. The “industrial revolution was a massive change,” but certainly not the first.

Anonymous 0 Comments

All major societal/industriial transformations area result of various “inventions”, or ways to manufacture more cheaply, resulting of a congruence of these discoveries. E.g. the explosion of the printed word was in line for using linen as a basis for making paper so making the process both automated and very cheap in comparison.

as for the industrial revolution. This required raw materials (coal, iron,) great advances in manufacturing more robust iron steel. Transport revolutions to easily transport these materials (canals/train). Goods that actually wanted to be made. Machinery requires lubriction or it doesn’t work. Discovering that whale oil, a fine oil, that is perfect for machine lubrication drove the explosion of the industrial revolution. The IR was, in effect, built upon whale oil.

The increasing innovation in machinery drove agricultural advances (drilling machines).

This huge IR explosion of science and research made possible by transporting goods was not really possible in earlier times As advances in the past were very slow and not really “joined up”. These transformations rely on raw materials, transportation, engineering, trade, innovation, money making, creation of new solutions to problems (canals), Empire et al

Anonymous 0 Comments

It’s hard to imagine any sort of industrial revolution happening before the enlightenment. That’s when the birth of modern science and engineering happened.

The British empire had the required talent, resources, manpower incentive and political stability for the industrial revolution to happen.

The Dutch had money but not enough manpower. The French had excellent scientific talent but no political stability. The Spanish were mostly just interested in extracting resources from their colonies. The Germans and Italians were technologically behind most of the other big players.

Anonymous 0 Comments

There’s a common misconception that technology stayed stagnant from pre-Roman times to Industrial Revolution because there wasn’t really a shift in the visual appearance of items during that time, but technology advanced substantially during that time.

Advances in agriculture included much better irrigation techniques, improvements in how crops were rotated, and the development of techniques to recycle waste as fertilizer. Additionally, humans selectively bred horses and cattle to be much larger and more docile during this time, both increasing the amount of food they generated and making them more useful for things like pulling plows.

These technological improvements didn’t change what wheat looks like, but they dramatically increased the amount of food that could be produced on a per capita basis. This increase in per capita food production allowed more people to shift into other professions, such as blacksmiths and miners.

Metallurgy also advanced significantly during this time, particularly in regards to the quality of steel. Steel did not exist during Roman times. Through the 1800’s, most of the iron that was mined was turned into what today would be considered very low quality pig iron. Slow advancements in blast furnace technology gradually improved the quality of that metal, with steel production only becoming possible at any meaningful scale in 1828 with the invention of the preheater.

Conceptually, the Romans had an understanding of many of the concepts that would have allowed them to begin industrializing. For example, the Romans were well aware of how to build a steam engine and produced at least one well documented example of one.

The reason that no one managed to take that steam engine and turn it into a locomotive prior to the 1800’s was because the best metal that could be produced was so low quality that it couldn’t withstand the steam pressure that would have been necessary to use it in a work performing engine.

On top of that, the vast majority of the population needed to be employed in agriculture to just feed everyone. That left only a handful of people to do “everything else.” Because so few people were engaged in “industrial” activates like mining or smithing, even low quality metal was extremely rare and impossibly expensive. The vast majority of it that was produced went into agricultural tools, and that investment into agricultural tooling represented a necessary expenditure of what little metal was available.

Because there was no excess metal available, investing that metal into large, industrial projects wasn’t possible.

Anonymous 0 Comments

All major societal/industriial transformations area result of various “inventions”, or ways to manufacture more cheaply, resulting of a congruence of these discoveries. E.g. the explosion of the printed word was in line for using linen as a basis for making paper so making the process both automated and very cheap in comparison.

as for the industrial revolution. This required raw materials (coal, iron,) great advances in manufacturing more robust iron steel. Transport revolutions to easily transport these materials (canals/train). Goods that actually wanted to be made. Machinery requires lubriction or it doesn’t work. Discovering that whale oil, a fine oil, that is perfect for machine lubrication drove the explosion of the industrial revolution. The IR was, in effect, built upon whale oil.

The increasing innovation in machinery drove agricultural advances (drilling machines).

This huge IR explosion of science and research made possible by transporting goods was not really possible in earlier times As advances in the past were very slow and not really “joined up”. These transformations rely on raw materials, transportation, engineering, trade, innovation, money making, creation of new solutions to problems (canals), Empire et al

Anonymous 0 Comments

There’s a common misconception that technology stayed stagnant from pre-Roman times to Industrial Revolution because there wasn’t really a shift in the visual appearance of items during that time, but technology advanced substantially during that time.

Advances in agriculture included much better irrigation techniques, improvements in how crops were rotated, and the development of techniques to recycle waste as fertilizer. Additionally, humans selectively bred horses and cattle to be much larger and more docile during this time, both increasing the amount of food they generated and making them more useful for things like pulling plows.

These technological improvements didn’t change what wheat looks like, but they dramatically increased the amount of food that could be produced on a per capita basis. This increase in per capita food production allowed more people to shift into other professions, such as blacksmiths and miners.

Metallurgy also advanced significantly during this time, particularly in regards to the quality of steel. Steel did not exist during Roman times. Through the 1800’s, most of the iron that was mined was turned into what today would be considered very low quality pig iron. Slow advancements in blast furnace technology gradually improved the quality of that metal, with steel production only becoming possible at any meaningful scale in 1828 with the invention of the preheater.

Conceptually, the Romans had an understanding of many of the concepts that would have allowed them to begin industrializing. For example, the Romans were well aware of how to build a steam engine and produced at least one well documented example of one.

The reason that no one managed to take that steam engine and turn it into a locomotive prior to the 1800’s was because the best metal that could be produced was so low quality that it couldn’t withstand the steam pressure that would have been necessary to use it in a work performing engine.

On top of that, the vast majority of the population needed to be employed in agriculture to just feed everyone. That left only a handful of people to do “everything else.” Because so few people were engaged in “industrial” activates like mining or smithing, even low quality metal was extremely rare and impossibly expensive. The vast majority of it that was produced went into agricultural tools, and that investment into agricultural tooling represented a necessary expenditure of what little metal was available.

Because there was no excess metal available, investing that metal into large, industrial projects wasn’t possible.

Anonymous 0 Comments

No one here is mentioning the increased use of coal. Fossil fuels and steam power is what made the industrial revolution possible. Coal allowed steel to be refined at scale. It powered the looms that made fabric cheap. That is the key difference.

Anonymous 0 Comments

No one here is mentioning the increased use of coal. Fossil fuels and steam power is what made the industrial revolution possible. Coal allowed steel to be refined at scale. It powered the looms that made fabric cheap. That is the key difference.