if Reform had nearly 5million votes why do they only have 4 seats

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Lib Dem got 3.5mil votes and have 71 seats, Sinn Fein have 210,000 and seven seats

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Anonymous 0 Comments

First past the post is an abysmal system even if in this particular case I very much approve that the racists didn’t get a matching amount of seats.

In the particularly perverse FPP implementation in the UK, any vote that didn’t go to the winner in a constituency is effectively wasted in terms of having any effect on the election outcome, yes it counts in the very limited sense of that individual constituency race but is irrelevant after that. So whilst looking at the overall popular vote for each party at the election is instructive in terms of pointing out how ridiculous the system is, it is meaningless.

Hilariously, the only time that most people are upset by this is when their preferred party gets a raw deal from it. A great problem with democracy is that most people are too uninformed to know what they are voting for and why and the real implications of the handful of slogans they heard.

In these particular July 2024 circumstances, the fascist party performed two roles – firstly its usual one of being the party of the racists and the second role, conservatives who couldn’t bring themselves to punish the tories for being dreadful for 14 years by voting for a serious party.

Anonymous 0 Comments

A party can come second in every single seat – lose by 1% to the winning party every time, but get no seats at all.

In this situation, you get only 1% fewer votes overall than the winning party, but no seats.

Reform have support spread evenly across the country, unlike Labour where the support is concentrated in cities and tories who tend to win in rural seats.

Anonymous 0 Comments

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Anonymous 0 Comments

Don’t worry I moaned as well cuz Jeremy Corbyn got 12 million votes in 2017, 10million in 2019 and Keir got 9 million yesterday and look at the difference. Yet Corbyn gave labour their worst defeat ever and Keir has given them one of their best. Had Reform got the votes they did yesterday back when Corbyn was leader, he probably would have won

Anonymous 0 Comments

The UK didn’t just have one election. It had 650 elections for MP, and then the MPs decide amongst themselves who will lead.

Each of those 650 elections is winner take all, whomever gets the most votes wins.

In practice those 650 separate elections are coordinated with parties and so on.

In the US choosing the house of representatives (435 seats) or the Canadian house of Commons (338 seats currently) use the same basic system, as do others.

There are other ways to choose how to form a parliament, all of the options come with tradeoffs. Parliament itself is a majority vote system so you have to be careful that whatever electoral system you have puts people in power who can actually function as a government and doesn’t hand disproportionate power to people who are unsupported by the majority of the country, but they get outsized power by being a ‘swing’ vote within parliament or otherwise have just enough seats to prop up a majority.

One option would be purely proportional, so you would show up, vote for a party and then seats would be assigned based on the percentage of the vote. The parties then need to try and build a coalition to govern, or have more elections until they can.

Another option is to have a mix of proportional and first past the post (the current system). So you would elect a local MP. And then you would have a party vote, and then some fraction of MPs would be from a proportional list and some chosen from winner take all elections. The German system essentially tries to have a proportional outcome and so adjusts the number of seats so that the people who win local elections still sit but then the overall outcome is close to proportional.

Another option is to have ranked ballots. These can be single or multiple winners per area. Basically you rank who want to win and then whomever has the lowest vote totals is eliminated and their votes transferred to the next on their ballot. This is quite complicated to do quickly by hand, so computerised voting is strongly preferred. You do this either as a single winner system or group together multiple seats (say 3-6) and then have it work that way. The Irish have some elections like this, the biggest problem is the right number of winners per voting group can dramatically shift the outcomes and that sort of depends on things like the history of parties before you enact it.

Right now labour has 100% of the power with 34% of the vote, that’s not ideal, but if the election were proportional and people voted exactly as they had, it’s not clear who the government would be or whether or not they could maintain such a government for any length of time.