The concept and application of Space Elevator/Orbital Lift

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I’ve been reading about this subject but I find it difficult to understand because of the large amount of opinions out there about how it would work and why we aren’t building it right now if our actual technology is enough to do it, also because it would be a way to get rid of greenhouse gases apart from the different applications to our plans to space exploration.

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Anonymous 0 Comments

As you go to a higher orbit, the orbital speed decreases, and the distance travelled increases. As a result the orbital period increases. At 35,786 km it is exactly 24 hours. So a satellite above the equator remains fixed above a certain spot.

Start spooling cables both up and down, and the lower cable isn’t quit moving at orbital velocity for it’s altitude, pulling the satellite down, while the higher cable is slightly exceeding orbital velocity and pulls the satellite up. Do it right and this cancels out.

Bring a long enough cable and the bottom touches down on the equator. Fix it securely and spool a bit more out at the top, and the cable will try and pull off from the ground. It can now lift something.

Attach a solar powered lift and you can ride it for 35,786 km all the way to geostationary orbit.

Currently we haven’t got a cable strong and light enough to be 100km long without snapping under it’s own weight. Also putting 70,000km of cable into geostationary orbit is well beyond any rocket we have. Also all countries on the equator are not places you’d want to leave trillions of dollars of infrastructure.

Anonymous 0 Comments

well we can start off with “Why arent we building one?”

The technology DOES NOT EXIST to built one, and probably never will. We dont even know a material that COULD build one.

The idea is also fundamentally flawed, first, you dont save any energy using one, you just get to use electricity for it instead. You also have to invest the HUGE amount of energy required to build and maintain the structure. Every load you take up will make the structure tip slightly, if it tips enough, it will all fall to earth, and the conservative space elevator has a rope long enough to wrap half way around the earth.

Really its just pointless, and I doubt any planet will ever build one.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Our actual technology isn’t enough to do it. We’re talking about building a structure, starting at dirt level, one hundred million meters high. Let’s write that out and contemplate it for a minute.

100,000,000m

Now let’s write out the height of the tallest building humans have ever constructed.

828m

If we built something a thousand times as tall as Burj Khalifa, we would be not quite 1% of the way there. I don’t mean to crap all over this because it’s a neat idea, but we need materials and construction techniques that don’t even exist yet. If God appeared and told us we had ten years to build a space elevator or be scourged by warrior angels with sword blades coming out of their mouths, I’m pretty confident we’d be getting scourged.

Anonymous 0 Comments

There really aren’t many different opinions on how it would work, the principle is fairly simple and commonly understood.

The reason why wer aren’t building one is that it we don’t really ave the tech, especially the material science to do so. We are also missing the demand to make it economically feasible, but that is a minor concern.

And while a space elevator would do away with the need for a lot of rocket fuel being burned and rockets do burn a lot of rocket fuel, not all rocket fuels produce greenhouses gasses and the overall percentage of greenhouses gasses created by burning rocket fuel is negligible.

To expand on the above:

Rockets go to orbit by burning rocket fuel. Due to the tyranny of the rocket equation most of the fuel you start with ends up doing little more than lifting up other rocket fuel. You have to burn fuel to transport fuel.

A lot of rocket fuel is burned just to go up so that the rocket can do its main job of accelerating to orbital speed in a place where there is less air resistance. This is all very uneconomically.

Having to carry all that fuel around is uneconomically.

If we could produce the energy here on earth to lift up accelerate the rocket it would work much better, but that has issues. (Not that people have entirely giving up on Jules Verne style space guns and beamed energy just yet.)

Another way would be to have the rocke climb a long tower instead.

It takes a lot less energy to send a payload up an elevator to the top of a building that to shoot the same payload to that height with a rocket and the difference gets bigger and bigger the higher you go.

The problem with that is that we can’t build buildings tall enough and that even if we could build a tower 100 km tall, that reaches space, stepping of the tower at the top would not mean you are in orbit.

Orbit means going fast sideways, not just being high up. You would still need to somehow speed up to what would be more than 20 times the speed of sound down here when you reached the top.

However there is an altitude much, much higher up at 35786 km above the ground where the orbital speed is the same as the speed of the ground beneath.

If you could build a tower that tall, you could just step of the top and be in orbit.

But if we can’t build a tower 100 km high to the edge of space we certainly can’t build one 35,786 km high up to geostationary orbit.

What we might be able to do is build a satellite or put a captured asteroid in orbit there and suspend a rope from that down to earth.

The physics for that would work in theory. We would need to also suspend a rope a bit higher up to have a counterweight at an even higher altitude.

A vessel could climb this rope or cable to the top and then go from there.

To reach a different orbit or even another planet from geostationary orbit would be much much easier if you didn’t have to expand all the rocket fuel to get there in first place.

It would make putting stuff into orbit much much cheaper than it is now, but it would require a huge upfront cost to build a space elevator like that in the first place. So the economies would only make sense if we need to put a lot more stuff into orbit than we do now. However SpaceX has shown that demand will likely come if the price keeps dropping.

There are some people who dear a catastrophe if the cable should break, but that is not really a big concern.

A real concern is the fact that we don’t have a material to make the cable from. The materials we do have would simply rip apart under their own weight.

There is some idea that we could use some new materials made of differently arranged carbon atoms, but we don’t have that stuff yet at the scale necessary and it isn’t sure that it would work the way we want if we did.

We could help somewhat, by making a cable that is not uniform width, but tapers at the end to be able to support its own weight, but there are practical limits to that too.

However other than that the science is sound and if we needed to build a space elevator on for example Mars we could do it with the technology we have today. (we might need to move the moons out of the way).

As to the greenhouse gas emission. Rocket fuel can be really nasty stuff but some other fuel we use ends up just producing water, which is technically a greenhouse gas, but not a big concern. In any case we don’t send nearly enough rockets into space right now to matter much in the grand scheme of things and having access to satellites for navigation, communication, mapping and weather forecasting ends up saving us emissions elsewhere, so rocketry is not a huge concern, even if a single rocket ends up emitting quite a lot of emissions. There just aren’t that many of them.

Anonymous 0 Comments

With current technology, it would not work. Such elevator would need one or more insanely long cables that were also insanely strong, yet stretch (because wind exists) and pull and so on.

Anything even close to a candidate for the material is incredibly dense and heavy (or even radioactive), thus it’s not good. Usually too brittle as well. Of materials that are strong AND light, and we could consider – like carbon nanotubes, graphene etc, we rarely use even more “grounded” things, because they’re very difficult and expensive to produce. And even then, we’d probably need copper wires in this thing to carry electricity, and copper simply isn’t rubber.

Space elevator is a sci-fi concept and we’re nowhere building one anytime soon.

Anonymous 0 Comments

The concept of a space elevator is simple, in theory. The most difficult part of getting rockets to space is escaping the atmosphere. The vast majority of the fuel a rocket uses to reach orbit is spent on that process. If you could skip that step, and launch a rocket directly from orbit you could travel much further, with heavier payloads. A space elevator attempts to answer that: What if we just took the rocket up an elevator to orbit, or constructed the rocket in space at an orbital platform bringing material up the elevator.

A great idea in concept. The problem of course is the how of making one is completely out of our depths. We would need a cable of immense tensile strength thousands of kilometers long. We would need a massive counterweight at the top to keep the cable tense and in a geostationary orbit. Our climber, the elevator box, would need to be able to counteract potential issues with the Coriolis effect.

The simple matter is that we have no way to construct a cable long enough. Actual lengths vary but since we need a geostationary orbit, the cable would need to be at minimum 36,000km long. Thats about 90% the circumference of the entire planet. The only material we have that could withstand the tensile forces would be carbon nanontubes which we quite simply can’t produce at that scale. We are not technologically capable of doing this currently.

I am not sure what your talking about when you refer to greenhouse gases. Rockets produce very very little greenhouse gases, with liquid rocket fuel main exhaust product being water vapor.