Why are your hands slippery when dry, get “grippy” when they get a little bit wet, then slippery again if very wet?

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Why are your hands slippery when dry, get “grippy” when they get a little bit wet, then slippery again if very wet?

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Your body needs moisture to work properly. So the grip of your hands is kind of determined by all the ridges, and their ability to sell swell and squish. All those little lines, like your fingerprints and such, they fill with water when there’s moisture, and then when you grab things, they are able to apply extra pressure, creating better grip. Obviously this swelling is near microscopic, but have you ever stayed in the water until your hands prune? That is your skin swelling to give you grip in such a wet environment.

I’m using this to train for teaching my kids, hope this is good.

If your hands are slippery when dry, your hands are either dirty or you’re dehydrated. Hands are naturally quite grippy, of properly hydrated.

A little bit of water (like licking your fingers to open a plastic produce bag) can help with grip in some circumstances but not all–this is why, for example, athletes sometimes use chalk bags.

If you’re talking about circumstances like opening a produce bag, then it’s more to do with surface tension than with any potential softening of the skin layer, I believe.

Water sticks to water, making wet things stick to wet things. If the layer of water is thick the surfaces can easilly slide because water easilly slides across itself.

However, if the water layer is thin and the surfaces aren’t smooth then the surfaces can still touch in a lot of places. The water can still stick the surfaces together, but not be thick enough to make sliding easy, and the sticking caused by being wet makes sliding even harder than if the surfaces were dry.

This reminds me; if you have slippery hands while riding bmx just rub a little dirt in your hands and your hands will be dry for awhile (close to an hour)

“Why can I masturbate dry, or with a ton of water in the shower, but not when my hands are damp?”

Im sorry if I dont understand this cause I dont have experience with American culture. But ELI5 like these confuse me.

They seem to be asking for explanations on things that aren’t true in the first place.

I mean no offense. But I wonder if the OP can describe what they mean by slippery when dry and gripper when slightly wet. In my experience, any amount of water makes things more slippery, except in circumstances where things like plastic bags stick to water.

You know when your shoes get really really old and the rubber soles are hard like plastic? You try walking on the linoleum floors at school and slip if you’re not too careful? Or when your shoes are caked in mud, you run into the house, then slide on the wood floor and fall on your butt? That’s kind of what’s going on. Your fingers need a regular amount of moisture to work properly and grip stuff. Too much and you lose grip again.

There are two forces at work here when it comes to wet grip: Surface tension and Friction.

Water molecules want to cling to things. When water is surrounded by water, it clings to the surrounding water. The surface of water, however, can’t cling as much to surrounding water and thus will cling to anything that touches it.

So, if you have a thin layer of water on your hands, the surface tension from the water will cling to things, which will feel a little grippy. But, if you add too much water, the water below the surfaces will cling to itself and become slick.

The stronger force from grip comes from friction. Friction comes from frictional coefficient and force. Water lowers the coefficient of friction, so water will always make grip from friction weaker.

So: Having slightly wet hands will provide grip to things that don’t require force (like opening a plastic bag, which is really pulling the two parts of the bag apart, not gripping them) The surface tension will provide some cling. Too much water, however, and surface tension is negated by the slickness of the water under the surface.

However, any wetness will reduce grip generated by friction, which is our main gripping ability, as we can control friction by pushing harder. So overall the grip “from a little wet” is only useful in certain circumstances, in almost every other case dry hands will aide grip more.

Edit: I missed one thing: skin (and some absorptive fabrics and materials) soften when wet. This leads to a higher coefficient of friction. However, most non absorptive materials, when wet, have a lower coefficient of friction. Additionally, as I stated, too much water acts as a lubricant and lowers friction on most materials. So… It really depends on the materials and how much water there is water will make two materials grippier or slipperier.

If you look at your fingers, you’ll see that there are lots of little ridges. If you lick your finger, you create a little area of dampness on the tip of the finger. When you press it onto a surface, you squeeze water out in exactly the same way as if you were squeezing a sucker onto a pane of glass. You get this attraction of the water locking onto the molecules on the surface of the page and locking onto the ridges on your finger and it gives you a bit more grip.

However, when your hands have a huge puddle on it, what you end up with is a very thick layer of water. You have a layer of water coating your hands, a layer of water coating the other thing you are holding and a layer of water between the two. You end up with a layer of water sandwiched between two other layers of water and that it very slippery.

This is exactly the reason why tires on cars have tread. The tread means that your tire squashes the water out through the tread pattern and stops you getting this slippery sandwich and gives you a better grip on the road. Not enough tread and you slip because the pressure is all distributed evenly, a little water and you get a suction type effect, and too much water and the two objects aren’t actually touching each other and you hydroplane.

van der waals forces, and probably water displaces microscopic air pockets creating a slight suction effect

“There’s a fine line between between ideal friction and ideal lubrication.” – Dr. Ruth Westheimer

Water has a high surface tension. Think of this as water molecules being so attracted to themselves that they minimize the surface area at any water/air interface. This is why water forms into beads or droplets. If you add a little bit of water to your finger and apply it to a plastic grocery bag or book page, when you pull away the top layer of the bag or book page will move with your finger. Separating from your wet finger would require that the water/air surface area increases against the surface tension force which is trying to minimise the area.

If there is enough water to produce a thin film between two sliding surfaces lubrication will occur. Some good examples of this are bearings, air hockey tables, or walking on wet brick. You would only notice this briefly while walking, but the thin layer of water would cause you to slip before your shoes contact the ground.

The surface tension of water is greater than the surface tension of your dry skin, which is mostly just tiny dead flaky bumps. Once you have too much water, no, you’re no longer dealing with service tension and now you’re dealing with fluid viscosity, which counteracts the tension.

Source: science and 25 years of hyperhidrosis presenting primarily in the hands and feet

Old ELI5…

Actually, when the ridge on your fingertips and hand get hydrated with water, combined with the crease, will act as a ventouse. Kinda like if you had a thousand of little ventouse on the inside of your palm hand so it stick to slipery surface.

I’ve always said that certain things are slippery when they’re too dry, but also slippery when they’re too wet. A lot of systems on earth balance on the correct amount of water. Slipperiness is no exclusion.

No ones hands are “slippery when dry.”

What are you talking about?

We literally chalk our hands before lifting heavy weights or doing bar work to get them as dry and abrasive as possible to maximize friction so we don’t slip.

People this thread are weird

Water sticks really well to lots of things, so a little bit of it makes things grippy / sticky, BUT it doesn’t stick to itself nearly so well so too much of it makes things slippy.

your hands get grippy when they’re a little bit wet?

This is a question of friction. There are two main types of forces contributing to friction.

First we have literal roughness/unevenness in the surface (termed [Asperity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperity_(materials_science))) which means two surfaces can hook into each other, sort of like velcro, and your hands has a lot of these (e.g. finger prints).

The second is a bit less intuitive and is called the Van der Waals force. This can cause friction between smooth surfaces because the force comes from the atoms and molecules themselves. This is the reason you get a better grip on your cellphone case that is made of soft rubber than you get from the glass and hard plastic of the phone itself.

Beyond this it can often be hard to specifically determine what forces will dominate for a given scenario.^([1]) Climbers generally want to chaulk their hands completely dry to get a better grip on the rough surfaces they climb on. If the surface is really smooth then you might want to rely on the Van der Waals force instead, for instance by using indoor running shoes with soft rubber soles when in a gym with equally soft rubber flooring. However, be careful of any lubricant that can come between the smooth surfaces, as this will remove the Van der Waals force completely and make it extremely slippery.

For your specific example I would conjecture that somewhat wet hands strikes a good balance between using the Van der Waals force and the roughness between surfaces to obtain relatively strong friction for a variety of scenarios. Too wet hands could for example act as lubricant on the Van der Waals force. (Dry hands I am less sure of but I have a feeling it could have something to do with reduced surface contact)

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>[1] The relationship between frictional interactions and asperity geometry is complex and poorly understood. It has been reported that an increased roughness may under certain circumstances result in weaker frictional interactions while smoother surfaces may in fact exhibit high levels of friction owing to high levels of true contact.” [wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperity_(materials_science))