why we can’t ‘just’ split big forests into multiple blocks so when a block burns it doesn’t spread through the whole forest.

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Well the title is the question.
With ‘split’ I mean create some space between blocks where fire has nothing to travel to the next block to spread.

I imagine that actions like dropping water with helicopters would also be unnecessary since we could ‘give up’ a burning block and then the fire would be over.

Or am I too naive about it?

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Anonymous 0 Comments

We do this in forestry blocks in Australia. They are called “fire breaks”. If you lease the land, you must keep the fire breaks free from debris & keep the grass slashed or you can be fined.

Anonymous 0 Comments

These already exist. You see them all over the hills and mountains in Southern Spain

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebreak&ved=2ahUKEwiPiITFrIjyAhVai1wKHSFpBegQmhMwDXoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw0k749A_V5NIumHTGOvRTDe

Anonymous 0 Comments

These splits are called “Fire Breaks”, and that’s one of the main things which forest fire fighting crews do. Building them, and maintaining them, is too expensive to do all the time. They also have to be quite large to protect against spread of large fires, which makes them unattractive. They can also lead to erosion and other environmental damage.

A far better strategy is more frequent, smaller, fires as nature intended. This could lead to burning down more homes, but perhaps that would send the message “Don’t build if a forest that burns regularly or your house will get burned down regularly.” More people need to get that message.

Anonymous 0 Comments

For one, money. That would be extremely expensive to do it over a big enough area. Extremely resource intensive also, to keep a 200 yard stretch of forest Mike’s long clearcut down to the dirt.

Then that would also create environmental issues and cause problems for animals, I think they have figured out that leaving islands of trees behind after clear-cutting areas is still bad for local populations of animals. Plus more erosion, etc.

Also, fire is good for a lot of species, at least small regular fires. The problem is we have been stopping all fires for the past several decades, which leaves us with a giant pile up of fuel on the forest floor that creates giant raging fires that kill everything, as opposed to small brush fires which clear out undergrowth and clutter.

Anonymous 0 Comments

This is vaguely what proper forest management is supposed to do. One factor on why forest fires can get so big and spread so fast is when there is too much “junk” on the forest floor. Stuff like little sapling trees, dead trees that have fallen, years and years worth of leaves. It’s often that sort of thing that catches fire first. Big, mature trees can often withstand a relatively fast fire around their trunks, but if there’s too much litter, the fire burns too long and can reach up into the tops of the big trees, leading to the infernos we see. So one strategy that has been deployed to fight this is “controlled burns” where firefighters and forestry people will pick a section of woods, and go in and slowly and methodically burn off the excess junk. Then the next time a wildfire starts, it has way less fuel in a given area to burn.

One of the lessons learned from the Yellowstone NP fire back in the late 80’s was it’s better in the long run to sometimes let smaller fires burn more often, because then they don’t become massive. They had been suppressing any and all fires in Yellowstone for years, and when something finally caught and they couldn’t get it under control, so it burned most the park to a crisp. So now, they take a slightly more “hands off” approach, in that if a fire starts, they keep an eye on it and let it burn at least for a while

Anonymous 0 Comments

You’re describing [firebreaks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebreak). The issues as I understand them are:

With wind fires can jump the gap or burning embers from one side can blow across. Embers can jump firebreaks of 600-800 feet on occasion.

They are not always practical to create given the shape of the land – hills, mountains etc

They are hard to maintain given you need to keep them free of most vegetation across a large area.

People own land and so you can’t just cut firebreaks on a perfect grid across the countryside.

Edit: Because a lot of people are commenting on the numbers I gave for 6-800 feet. I’m referencing one of the numbers given in Wikipedia of a 600 feet wide firebreak which was actually jumped. But it also mentions that embers can fly further and start fires further afield.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Because that is an IMMENSE amount of work. Ever cleared dense trees? It’s very difficult and expensive work. You don’t do it unless you need to. In tall, established forests an effective fire break has to be quite wide, 30 ft or more. Cutting a single miles long 30 ft wide swath through a forest would be the work of years, and it might not even be effective if the wind is wrong when the fire happens. It’s just not economically feasible.

Anonymous 0 Comments

My brother was a “hotshot” who fought forest fires. I asked him how is it that green trees burn so easily? He said the heat from a forest fire is so intense, it dries out the everything as it approaches. He said the fire super-heats the sap inside the trees and the trees just explode all around you. He also said the noise from a fire is so loud that it’s like standing next to an old train tracks when a noisy train passes.

His unit was ‘burned over’ twice. They had to quickly dig holes and place a kind of tin foil over themselves and let the fire pass over them. He ended up hurting his back in a helicopter accident and has had 12 surgeries (he now has full use of his limbs).

Anonymous 0 Comments

Every small patch you make from a large patch of forest creates more edges. Edges of vegetation patches tend to have more light, weeds and invasive species, which can compete with local native plants and animals (research “edge effects” and “habitat fragmentation”). However, you can have a large patch of forest that is periodically burned in small patches (mosaic burning) over time to reduce fuel loads and allow access to intact forest adjacent for movement of animals.

Anonymous 0 Comments

It’s also worth mentioning that, especially in pine forests, fire is part of the natural cycle. Many pine species’ pine cones won’t open and seed until there is a fire, helping ensure that the new growth won’t have a bunch of trees blocking the sun. If I remember correctly, part of the reason the 1988 Yellowstone fire was so bad (in addition to the drought that year) was because we had been too effective in putting out fires, meaning there was a lot of unmanaged undergrowth and dead tress, and not a lot of younger, healthier trees. once a fire got going, it took off. To this day, Montana and Wyoming forest service follow strict guidelines about which fires to fight and which to let burn.