Does water have an actual solid form without having to be frozen?

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I’ve always been curious but I can’t find much on it that isn’t just “HEE HOO ICE SOLID”

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Anonymous 0 Comments

Water can be solid at room temperature, as long as it’s held at enormous pressures, such as when trapped inside a diamond lattice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_VII#Natural_occurrence

Different temperatures and pressures can result in many distinct kinds of water ice, as listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases

But if we’re talking about atmospheric pressure, we’re stuck with the familiar kind of water ice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.svg

Anonymous 0 Comments

What exactly do you think “frozen” means that isn’t “in a solid form”? Or, equivalently, what do you think “solid” means, for *any* substance, that isn’t “frozen”.

Anonymous 0 Comments

I’m not sure what you mean but my answer is no.

Water can only really be solid if it’s ice.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Ice is the same kind of solid as rocks are. In fact, technically speaking, ice is a mineral. On other planets with colder conditions, ice is a major part of their rock. It goes through the same processes (erosion, sedimentation, even plate tectonics) that rocks on Earth do, and can even “erupt” from ice-volcanoes.

But the question, based on your other comments, is “why *isn’t* water solid under normal Earth conditions”. Put another way, why is water’s melting point (0C/32F) relatively low compared to that of rock (usually ~1000 C or more)?

The full details are fairly complex, but there are a few major factors that determine a molecule’s melting point. The most important are how *heavy* the molecule is and how *strongly* it’s attracted to other molecules of the same kind. The heavier the molecule and the stronger the inter-molecular forces, the more likely it is to be solid at a given temperature.

Water happens to be a very light molecule. So light, in fact, that the fact that it’s not solid is actually less surprising than the fact that it’s not a *gas*. Similarly light molecules, like carbon dioxide (which is actually quite a bit heavier) are gases on Earth. The reason water isn’t a gas is the second factor: water molecules are very strongly attracted to one another, which lets them hold together as a liquid rather than break off individually as a gas.

Most rocks contain metals, which are usually heavy atoms. Earth rocks usually contain silicon, magnesium, or iron, all of which are much heavier than the oxygen and hydrogen in water, and usually contain much larger molecules with ten or twenty atoms. This means their molecules are much heavier, and therefore their boiling and melting points are much higher.

Anonymous 0 Comments

Yeah, but you need fairly specific conditions.

When you hear about phases of matter there’s solid, liquid, and gas, and sometimes plasma.

But when you get into more advanced materials science a phase instead represents different crystal structures that form under different temperatures, pressures, or other conditions.

Water specifically has 18 known different solid phases, only one of which is what you see as regular ice.

Long story short though if you pressurize liquid to about 150,000 PSI water will become solid at room temperature.