how is it that the cheapest cars (Camry/accord) are the most reliable and longest lasting compared to luxury cars that cost more?


how is it that the cheapest cars (Camry/accord) are the most reliable and longest lasting compared to luxury cars that cost more?

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they make the inside nice and lower the quality of the parts, and charge you for the name. Capitalism at its finest

One is simplicity. There is simply less to go wrong.

But the huge part you are missing is these cars are not that cheap, by no means expensive. But not cheap. In the USA we don’t even get most ‘cheap’ cars the rest of the world sees.

Toyota and Honda are two of the best car manufacturers in the world. They are renowned for reliable vehicles. They are engineered to be very reliable. It is one of their selling points.

Some luxury companies for on luxury and performance. These things add lots of cost. And as I said it’s more to break eventually. That said Mercedes and Porsche still make quite reliable cars.

Those aren’t even close to the cheapest cars. Brand new Camry will set you back 30k or more.

generally the cheaper cars are mass produced this means there has to be a very developed production line and somewhat looser tolerances(so there are fewer losses due ot manufacturing defects)

this higlhy developed production line also means there is ease of keeping a supply of spare parts

the result is that the cheaper mass produced models are easier to service, easier ot source parts for and easier ot repair.

this isnt to say that the premium models are bad onbut on the highest level these cars are custom produced hence any parts are made specifically for it, this allows to push design limits harder, but if something needs repalcing…well now you have ot pay a premium to have that part custom built again. and if there is no demand for it there wont be a production line ready for it right off the bat so these spare parts will demand a premium.

Luxury cars are selling an experience, comfort, performance, and new or novel features. Things such as air suspension and high-output turbocharged engines are less reliable than the more basic alternatives, but luxury car buyers want high performance and extreme comfort in their vehicles. And the new and flashy features in the vehicle may not have all the bugs worked out of them, but if you want to have the newest and latest great thing you may be willing to overlook the reliability.

Toyota and Honda typically stick to proven and durable solutions instead of prioritizing comfort and performance.

I drive a basic 2006 Ford van, with no electric locks or power window openers. I like it because it’s simple and fixable and utilitarian. And man, was it cheap to buy and cheap to maintain. And the reason it’s so cheap is that it’s so simple. Same reason the low-end Toyotas are so durable. Nothin’ fancy.

Just because it costs more does not mean it is better.

Some Luxury items are overpriced, because people will pay a lot of money for a fancy label or bragging rights.

other have good reasons.

I’d like to add that people who buy cheap cars probably drive them more carefully, and take care of them better.

And not all premium cars are unreliable. I have a volvo that is 14 years old, sat outside and unused for a year during covid, but still works fine.

different buyer personas, which is to say who buys these cars care about different things:
– low and middle income people want reliability because they can’t afford lots of repairs. they care less about status, comfort, and performance
– high income people care about status, comfort, and performance over cost to maintain because they have more money

They aren’t the cheapest, but they designed for those features to be the primary objectives when decisions are made. A Ferrari chooses style and high performance, which means pushing components their limits, fighting complex components into tight package and the tradeoffs are that they are more prone to parts failures.

Think of a Camry as walking… it’s safe, reliable but slower. Think of a Ferrari as fast running. You may get there faster, look better running so fast, but also are more prone to suffering an injury in doing so.

You do not see Yugos out there. Your making a statement which confuses cost with reliability.
One would hope the two things go hand and hand but they do not.

People buy luxury brands because they want luxury and reliability may not be the priority.

One of the reasons I bought a Civic (’07) was because it was very popular and parts were plentiful/cheap. I love everything about it, but the fact it would be reasonable to maintain was the deal maker.

It’s not to say that cheaper cars last longer than luxury cars. Look at Lexus, a premium car brand under Toyota that constantly defeats Mercedes Benz or BMW in terms of quality and reliability.

It’s more to the commitment of the brand to produce high quality products rather than the pricing of their cars. In Southeast Asia you can find plenty of Japanese cars around selling for about $10k after conversions, and people are saying it’s more reliable than continental cars, like Peugeot and BMW.

In addition to what others have said, the Camry and Accord have been manufactured for so many decades, the companies have it down pat. So, experience plus volume of sales. Parts; assembly; personnel; everything is very standardized which contributes to keeping costs low.

They’re not actually really all that much more reliable. They are a little more reliable though, which leads to a lot of them being made, which leads to greater availability of replacement parts and service technicians, which means repairs are cheaper and easier, which makes them even more reliable, which means more high-mileage specs on the road, which means even greater availability of replacement parts and service technicians even for high-mileage problems, which just makes them all the easier to maintain and therefore even more “reliable.”

There are plenty of reliable luxury cars though, they are just expensive and the reliability isn’t a selling point. M3s are known for their reliability but it’s just one of many selling points.

Because price is an indicator of *social status*, not quality. “Luxury” products are deliberately more expensive so that everyone can see that you spent a lot of money.

Tight tolerances are needed to maximize performance and functions. That’s part of what makes them so high quality. This also means that small changes or damage can have major effects.

I don’t think that’s accurate based on entire classes or pricing tiers, there may be some individual outliers that serve to stereotype the category as a whole.

i assume cheap cars are basic and have less complex gadgets and stuff, which means less maintenance, so they break down less

Robotic manufacturing is expensive, but delivers high levels of precision, exacting tolerances, better fitting parts.

When you make millions of them then the cost comes down per unit. It becomes cost effective to have millions invested in an assembly line, not only for the car assembly but the engine/transmission units.

Look at handblown xmas ornaments, basically a glass ball with pretty colors, they cost $30 and a lot more. Compared to light bulbs that were a buck each.